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Post by aek29 on Mar 8, 2011 15:17:22 GMT -5
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Post by shermie on Mar 8, 2011 15:24:29 GMT -5
i think there wrong on the "baiting is ilegal since 1916" as it is allowed as long as the area being baited has not been baited for the last time 2 weeks prior to the opening day of season.... so if oct 8 was the opener it would be 2 weeks before would be the last day any food could be put out...there cant be any left laying around..
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Post by shermie on Mar 8, 2011 15:33:05 GMT -5
Hunting Migratory Game Birds
For many of Canada's hunters, migratory bird hunting is a valued tradition. Federal laws protect migratory birds in Canada and to ensure that healthy waterfowl populations are conserved, the Canadian Wildlife Service sets hunting season dates and harvest limits each year for all provinces and territories.
Permits for Hunters
Baiting
Hunting From a Boat
Non-Toxic Shot
Provincial and Territorial Information
Frequently Asked Questions
Permits for Hunters
Migratory Game Bird Hunting Permits are available for purchase by 1 August of each year at Canada Post sales counters and retail outlets. The current price is $8.50 for the Hunting Permit plus $8.50 for the Habitat Stamp. The Habitat Stamp must be affixed to the Hunting Permit in order to make the Permit valid.
Hunters are advised that information about details on season dates, bag and possession limits, as well as other notes of importance on migratory bird hunting can be obtained by consulting the Annual Migratory Birds Hunting Regulations Summaries published by the Canadian Wildlife Service. Additional restrictions may be applicable in the area where you hunt, for more information please contact the Environment Canada Enforcement office listed in the summaries or refer to your provincial or territorial ministry.
Baiting (Depositing Bait)
In Canada, it is illegal to hunt migratory birds within 400 metres (437 yards) of a place where bait has been deposited, unless that place has been free of bait for at least seven (7) days.
Opening dates for migratory game bird hunting vary across the country and these dates affect baiting activities. Depositing of bait must cease 14 days before the first day of the open season for that place.
For example, if the open season for duck hunting in your area commences on September 1, bait cannot be not deposited in your area August 17, which is 14 days before September 1. Similarly, in areas of Canada where goose hunting commences earlier than the dates for ducks and woodcock, depositing bait must cease 14 days before the opening date of the goose hunting season.
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Post by shermie on Mar 8, 2011 15:43:16 GMT -5
thats the federal law ,so we have provinces interfering with federal law by saying NO BAITING ALLOWED>>>for waterfowl... which me thinks is a major conflict of interest here for the courts to figure out ,, as if i were to follow federal law to the T and were charged for baiting i would take this to court all the way with eddie greenspan and the province would loose.... federal law trumps provincal in my books...
its common practice in many provinces ,,,,,,so unless the CO`s had video of them putting bait out inside the 2 weeks prior to the opener then the case should have been thrown out...no evidense no case... it is on the ownance of the crown to prove them guilty of baiting inside the 2 weeks before the opener...or after the opener...
very unique case for sure ...
what do you fellas think....
i know quite a few of you have hunted baited fields in different provinces weather you knew it or not,, most guided field hunts use the bait well before the 2 week time limit as they do not want any troubles with clients come the openers....and CO`s...
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Post by newguy on Mar 9, 2011 14:14:35 GMT -5
i know quite a few of you have hunted baited fields in different provinces weather you knew it or not,, most guided field hunts use the bait well before the 2 week time limit as they do not want any troubles with clients come the openers....and CO`s... I'm not so sure that quite a few of us have hunted baited fields in different provinces.....it is a pretty wide brush to paint with, to assume most guided hunts are in baited fields may be very Far off the mark. Bait is going to be an added expense for the Outfitter/Guide and most run on a shoe string budget at best. Not unless your outfitter is Jeff Foiles then anything goes. Is hunting a bean or corn field after harvesting is done Baiting? In some fields the beans on the ground look as if they were spread out on purpose. We all have seen or been in corn fields that looked like the combine just ran down the stalks. Usually the operator was going to fast or using the wrong settings on the machine it leaves tons of corn cobs all over the field Websters definition of Baiting is "bait - something used to lure fish or other animals into danger so they can be trapped or killed" A question I have is, if you put out Plastic corn in a field it is classified as baiting, but when we put out dozens of decoys to draw in the birds to the field isn't that also a form of Baiting. According to the dictionary-------yup it is  Just my way of stirring the pot. |
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Post by jakeshandler on Mar 9, 2011 16:26:45 GMT -5
Shermie, you quoted your own answer. The area must be free of bait for 7 days. For example, if you bait an area and stop 14 days before the opening day, if bait still remains on the opener, you can not hunt there. If the birds eat it all 7 days before the season opener, and no bait remains, you're good to go.
To answer the question on what constitutes bait in a field, here's the down low.
We have all hunted fields, corn for example, that has cobs and kernels as well as stocks and grinded up plants spread about. If this material was left over from a harvesting process, it is not considered baiting.
You can not walk around the field and stack up piles of corn cobs and kernals - this is baiting.
If a farmer goes into his field and simply mows down the crop and does not collect it, it can not be hunted - it's considered baiting. This could happen if the farmer can't harvest his crop due to a flood or something, and has to use crop insurance. One of the requirements of using the crop insurance is the crop has to remain in the field, so the farmer mows it down and leaves it.
The definition of bait as it applies to hunting migratory game birds is :
“bait” means corn, wheat, oats or other grain, pulse or any other feed, and includes any imitation thereof that may attract migratory game birds
This is found in the interpretation section of the Migratory Bird Regulations. Therefore, decoys are not classified as baiting.
Any more questions, just ask ;D
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Post by Anthony on Mar 9, 2011 18:48:55 GMT -5
Everything you have there JH looks right except the farmer mowing down the feild.
That is still considered normal agricultual practice so you are good to go.
We ran accross a field last year that a good portion was just run down and I contacted CWS. That could have been like gary said a malfunction of something and they did not consider it baiting. If the farmer need to mow down a crop. That is still normal practice.
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Post by jakeshandler on Mar 10, 2011 11:59:05 GMT -5
Anthony, was it a wildlife enforcement officer you were talking to? The direction we got from a wildlife officer was the practice of hunting a mowed down crop is not accepted, unless it is a portion that was operator error.
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Post by Anthony on Mar 10, 2011 19:40:21 GMT -5
Yes it was. It's an officer I work with yearly for youth programs with delta waterfowl.
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