newguy
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Post by newguy on Feb 14, 2009 18:51:21 GMT -5
Well Johnny and I got the idea to try some foamers First we made a sample foamer to sacrifice to make the fiberglass mold it worked like a charm we turned out over a dozen oversize Bluebills yesterday in about 3 hours (setup time and beer drinking slowed production) The first mold worked so well that I made a second mold today of a lifesize bluebill The second mold is lined with liquid latex as i wasnt satisfied with the smoothness of the molds inside surface we will see how it works anyone on here ever made foamers if so what did you use to glue/fasten the burlap to the foam
Johnny will be putting picks up soon as he downloads the camera Gary
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Post by chezz on Feb 15, 2009 9:33:08 GMT -5
Use Acrylic Ceramic tile Adhesive From another site Now we are ready to set the tail board in and the keel. The keels I use are yellow pine cut to a length of 7.5" and then mitred at 22.5*....I hollow out the keel with a drill press and then pour molten lead to weight it.....when I pour the lead I insert a 3" course drywall screw to aid in setting the keel into the blank. I slot the blank with a dremel about 1/8" and glue the keel in....I also apply three coats of spar varnish to the wood which makes a nice finished look, but more importantly seals it......the tail board is 1/4" luan which is set into a slot I cut with the hacksaw blade and that is glued...it also is spar varnished....I let the glue cure overnight Now we can start on the burlapping! I use heavy weight landscaping burlap....it is somewhat forgiving due to the course weave....if you use fabric burlap it is alot harder to get the mastic through the fabric to adhere to the foam......I use Acylpro tile mastic...it is waterbased and is easy to clean up after ......I do the decoy in two pieces starting on the bottom where I cut a slot for the keel after the bottom piece of burlap is on, the top goes on overlapping the bottom piece.....really work the mastic into the burlap and kinduv squeegie it with your hands....trim burlap as you go using stainless sheers (they clean up easy in warm water....same for your hands so forget the plastic gloves) let it cure for at least 24 hours....sand and then reapply a second thin coat of mastic filling in any gaps, smoothing etc......and then sand with fine sandpaper www.duckhuntingchat.com/viewtopic.php?t=5247
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Post by South Shore Hick on Feb 15, 2009 10:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by Justin on Feb 15, 2009 15:01:18 GMT -5
looks great and sure is a fast way to make some decoys...what would cost per decoy be?
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newguy
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Post by newguy on Feb 15, 2009 16:33:07 GMT -5
2 gallons of foam is $95 tx in we are using 60cc of each for an oversized Bluebill and about 40cc for a life size Bluebill we figure at least 45 decoys per kit it is looking like we will get more tho I had all the burlap and paint around 3 bucks a decoy in a rough calculation not counting time
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Post by South Shore Hick on Feb 19, 2009 16:15:22 GMT -5
Well all things considered the boy and I turned out another eight additional foam gunners this afternoon. From the time we walked into the garage to the time we walked out, only two hours went by. Not to shabby. Thus far with the A/B kit we've managed to turn out 38. On the good side, we just made it barely past the halfway mark in the gallon kit. By all best guesses I'm figuring we will be able to turn out roughly sixty-seventy coys. Here's a pick of Garey's first attempt in burlaping on of the herd. He did a dam fine job for the first one. Cheers guys.. Johnny-G
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Post by chezz on Feb 19, 2009 17:45:48 GMT -5
looks excellant!!!
What did you guys end up using to attach the burlap to the foam?
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sage
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Post by sage on Feb 19, 2009 18:08:59 GMT -5
What a neat project and great results!!
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newguy
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Post by newguy on Feb 19, 2009 18:09:25 GMT -5
I tried using adhesive for outdoor carpet around pools it worked real well it gets tacky quick so the burlap sticks where you place it and then you can smear more over different areas to get a smoother finish like on the beak the only down fall was it took three days to dry we are gonna try a few different ways to do the burlap and see which is easiest and best(we have lots of decoys to play with)
after they are done we won't have to worry about stray pellots sinking a decoy
I am really enjoying making my own decoys
Carving a blank lump of foam into a useable decoy was actually not as hard as I thought and like Johnny pointed out if I mess it up just pour more foam over the screwup and carve again
it will be fun to try another of a different duck or maybe a couple of different head styles to make into a mold
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Post by chezz on Feb 19, 2009 19:45:14 GMT -5
Have you tried Acrylic Ceramic tile Adhesive? It's what a lot of foamers use and it dries under 24hrs
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newguy
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Post by newguy on Feb 19, 2009 19:58:55 GMT -5
I would have but when I got to the hardware store I forgot the name of it
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Post by chezz on Feb 19, 2009 20:02:26 GMT -5
I would have but when I got to the hardware store I forgot the name of it now write it on the back of your hand!!!
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newguy
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Post by newguy on Feb 19, 2009 20:12:08 GMT -5
I would have but when I got to the hardware store I forgot the name of it now write it on the back of your hand!!! The way I have been lately I would probably get to the store and go for a leak and wash it off my hand before I bought the adhesive
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Post by shermie on Feb 20, 2009 6:05:47 GMT -5
ya thats the right stuff rob i have used it on all mine some of mine are 10 years old and the heads and plywood has not come off,mind you its a real frigger to sand if you get it where you want to paint or to be smooth,id personaly like to try the EPS method less mess by far but you are dealing with greater pressures and a metal mold with clamps are required..i have not come across a mold for sale for the species id like to multiply my flock.
burlaping eh! well all my foamers are not burlaped just simply stuck on a piece of 3/4 in plywood and painted with acyrlic outdoor paint.they have stood up very well to the abuse i put my dekes thru long lining,i prefer my foamers as they are bigger and more visible ,
if you want a pic or two of what i did let me know guys,i did add weighted keels so i could hunt the surf around ledges and points so they always right themselves...
shermie
ps there looking good by the way
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Post by shermie on Feb 20, 2009 9:51:51 GMT -5
must be the funny air you breathe or the fumes from making dekes lmao
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